Wasn't it Jeremiah who was supposed to take a wife from among the nations (to represent Israel's unfaithfulness or something)...? He was commanded directly by Jehovah to take a wife who wasn't a worshipper of Jehovah. Just have to figure out where that scripture is.... Jeremiah somewhere....
Muddy Waters
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5/15 WT - WT Society Displays Condescending Attitude towards Marriage
by flipper inas most of us know the wt society has always claimed that it's dissapproved in god's sight to marry a non-jw .
although they've never made it a disfellowshipping offense, any jw who marries outside the jw organization is looked at as " weak " or lacking " spirituality " and loses certain alleged " privileges " in the congregations.
they use scriptures in the old testament as support for this.
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Be Honest---Describe your most prevalent feeling as a witness in ONE WORD!
by MsGrowingGirl20 inlets's go!!.
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suffocating.
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Inadequate.
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How many of you knew about the"Jesus is not your Mediator" teaching when you were JWs??
by Lady Liberty inhi everyone.... just curious how many of you knew when you were active, about the societys official teaching regarding jesus the mediator.
i was floored to find in my research, that they teach jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 only.
and it is only by our association with them that we might have salvation.. i don't know about you guys but i was blown away when i learned they taught this.
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In view of the upcoming "Memorial season" (April 5, 2012), thought this might be an interesting thread to bump up ....
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[MP3] The District Conventions from the 1950s to the 2010s
by possible-san inwell, if you click the "theme" of each talk, you can listen to the talk by mp3.. in particular, with respect to the mp3s of the dcs in 2010 and 2011, you can listen to most of them.. .
http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/dc/conventions.html.
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Muddy Waters
Oh my goodness.... those conventions in the "old days" were 8 days long... started around 8:00 am and went till 9:00 or 9:30 pm. Just looking at some of the day's programs from way back when.... wow.... can't imagine doing anything like that today.
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''I love the organization''
by punkofnice in..........said mrs punk!.
this was how she justified screaming abuse at me an slamming doors when she overheard me tell a bloke who was about to get baptized why i quit the meetings.
in fairness i wouldn't have said a thing but he asked me.
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When I was an active member, I totally believed it with all my heart. I believed the WTS was truly being used by the most powerful creative spirit person in the universe.
I even believed that every word and direction from the elders was directly from Jehovah.
I gave up my whole youthful adulthood for the society, this giant publishing company, thinking they really were God's true respresentatives on the earth. I believed it with utter devotion and intensity (gag). Anything spoken against it was seen as though coming directly from Satan.Oh yes, I was a true believer all right. The scales have been progressively falling from my eyes, but it's been a very painful process.
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Bizarre statement in April 2012 Awake
by dozy inas books go, it is tiny, but it is immeasurably great in its essence.
it can be carried in ones pocket,but if it were found in a library of 90,000 different books, it would probably turn out to be the most important one of them all.. wow a strong endorsement of the bible?
er no this is the wtbts we are talking about here.
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Muddy Waters
Thank you, NoRoomForGeorge.... I looked up the "well-known writer in Mexico" and found this on Wiki.... the last sentence is quite "interesting"!
Juan J. Orosa is a Mexican writer, born in México City in 1969. In 1987 he began studying physics at the National University (UNAM), but a year later changed to engineering; two years later he founded his own company. Dissatisfied, Juan decided to leave everything and move to the beach at Chicxulub, Yucatán , where he started his formal writing career.
In 2003 he was awarded with Ramón Zorrilla medal for his short story "Inconsolable". In 2002 he finished his first novel, Los extraviados (ISBN 9685679002), and in 2004 the second Succubus (ISBN 9685679274), both published by Sexto Piso. His works are thrillers that show a sense of irony that evokes Stanislaw Lem and Boris Vian.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-15-2012 WT Study (TEMPORARY)
by blondie inthey were strangers and temporary residents.
from the world, satans wicked system.
as temporary residents in this wicked.
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Blondie, Thank you for your interesting comments and references!
I found your comments on paragraph 12 and 13 to be particularly enlightening (highlighting the actual cruelty and hard-heartedness of the Society toward its own faithful elderly ones) ....
***w06 6/1 p.6***
What, though, if an older brother or sister in the congregation is in dire straits, perhaps needing financial assistance? First, it would be good to find out if there are children or other relatives who can help. (and this includes non-jw relatives) This would be in line with what is stated at 1 Timothy 5:4: “If any widow has children or grandchildren, let these learn first to practice godly devotion in their own household and to keep paying a due compensation to their parents and grandparents, for this is acceptable in God’s sight.” It may be that the elderly one needs assistance in determining if he or she is eligible for any provisions that the government makes available.
Horrible! Shocking, astounding. They really don't want to care for their own, do they, when these older (or sick) ones can't be good producers for them anymore....
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Please can we all have a go at describing and celebrating our different NEW IDENTITIES, versus our OLD WBTS IDENTITY?
by Fernando inat one time most of us here identified as jws who follow the wbts gb/fds who claim to follow the bible etc.
some of us are journeying to a new identity, others may feel they already have a new identity.. although we likely have gone in many different directions, we share a common past which only ex-members can really understand and explain.
please could we each respectfully share and celebrate our unique perspectives of where we have come from, and where we each are now at on this journey?.
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Muddy Waters
Terry, that was an AWESOME post. You said,
" Once disfellowshipped or after having "faded" we are mentally and psychologically "under house arrest" for an extended period of time.
The pressure is almost unbearable.
We have lost something HUGE: a firm grasp on the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY and Authority behind it.
Going from one end of the absolute (Truth) to the other end---(uncertainty and dread) is a whiplash.
How do you scratch THAT itch?
Some become born-again so that God can utterly forgive them, love them, accept them.
Some become raging iconoclasts with fangs and claws bared.
Others keep going over the "scene of the crime" looking for clues as to what went wrong.
It takes time to become WHO YOU REALLY ARE."
I am SO experienceing this right now. Going from certaintly and absoluteness and total trust in what you thought you knew -- to nothing. To being without clarity or focus. Feeling adrift, alone, betrayed. It IS just like a whiplash. I've developed a stupid nervous tic near my eye and feel much despair and anguish. I can only hope this painful process of trying to figure things out does not take me too long!
Thank you for your post.
- Muddy
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March 1st WT
by undercover inthere's an article in the new public edition entitled, "should you trust your first impressions?".
in the article there's the sub-headings, "judging by appearance" and "appearances can be deceptive".
the main import of the article is to impress upon the non-jw to not pre-judge jws based on pre-convieved notions.
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Muddy Waters
After years of analyizing the pictures in the publications, especially for the WT study, I note this:
NONE of the others (can you gues which one is not like the others, Sesame Street song playing in my head, but I digress) anyway, NONE of the others have a BIBLE. Meaning that they don't use the Bible, or misuse it, or some such. The JW is the only one holding (thus properly using) the scriptures. Or maybe he's holding a Proclaimer's book...... ha.
Also, they are all standing in front of their giant fancy buildings, buildings which prominently display a cross, while the JW stands in front of..... nope, no giant WT buildings, just some blurry shadow, though he is pictured as standing in a path of LIGHT, while the others stand in shadows and are in comparative darkness.
Wow, I should be at that WT study, LOL. ;)
- Muddy
PS -- not to change the subject, but HOW in the world do I change my avatar?
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The Governing Body was at the meeting tonight
by wannabefree ini gave in and went to the meeting tonight.
first thursday meeting in a couple of months ...
the whole congregation bible/book study was praise and worship of the governing body!.
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Hm. I find this most interesting, especially the service meeting part. I wonder if Acts 10 was used by other brothers (following an outline?) to say the same thing, about "accepting changes from the faithful slave, even when shocking." !!!!!
This makes me wonder if they're preparing us for some "new light" or new announcements…..
And yes, Azazel, the average JW has no clue who the GB are! It's quite a mystery to most. They may know or recognize one or two names or faces, but in my experience that's about it!